TRAM CLUB ROMANIA

[electroputere]

Dear friends of Romanian trams,
i had a question about the very first Timis2-tram. RATT-Website says, that the Timis2-Prototyp was built in the year 1969. But wich car was that? Was it maybe the 231 (motor) + 1 (remorca)?
Or is 231 + 1 only the first serial-car, produced in the year 1972? In case of this: what nr. owned to the Prototype and what happened with the very first Timis2-Car later?
by the way: whats the original number of train 363 + 133 (built in 1984)?

"electroputere" de la Germania

[Tom]

[electroputere]

So we can say: 231 - 1 was the prototype (built in 1969/1970), and 232 - 2 was the first serial-car (built in 1972). Multumesc pentru aceasta infomatie!
But are you sure, that there were altogether 133 (!) Timis-Trams in Timisoara?
I think so: Timis produced alltogether 129 Timis2-Trains for Timisoara: 231 - 359 (motor) and 1 - 129 (remorca). In the year 1991 the former-Resita-train 41 - 42 came "back" to Timisoara, numbered as 360 - 130. So RATT had maximum 130 Timis2-Trains.
The train 363 - 133 is an old train (build in 1984!) with a new number (but i don`t know his old number). So 363 - 133 isn`t the newest Timis2-Train in TM. Why that? Well i think the old number of trailer 133 is the same number as the number of an ex-Karlsruhe tram! So RATT had to change som numbers, because of double-numbering. Remorca 132 for example was the old remorca 122 (bulit 1988)!

[Tom]

First I thought it was a typing error in S'B-Atlas, but I was wrong. In the description of the transportation in Timisoara, they say there were 131 Timis trams, that is 231+1 (prototype) and 232+2...361+131.
362+132 and 363+133 may be brought later back from other cities like Resita, and later renumbered (132 ex 122).
It's very strange that further informations about 363+133 have not been made available to the BS team. It is possible that the information have been omitted from the Atlas, or it was unavailable even for RATT staff itself (very common for Roumanian transportation companies).

[electroputere]

I have also the BS-Atlas 2004, and the same "problem" like you: it says 131 Timis2-Cars resting in Timisoara, but wich numbers are the 131 ones? But my "interpretation" is a little bit different as your idea:
131 Trains for Timisoara: 229 (!), 230 (!), 231 - 359 (and 1 - 129 of course)
22 Timis2-Trains for Resita: 1 - 44 (including 41 - 42, later the 360 - 130 in Timisoara)
What do you think about this "solution"? So we know sure: 360 - 130 (former Resita 41 - 42) isn`t including by the 131 trains for Timisoara! And 363 - 131 must be an "old" train because of the building-year in the 1980s. A further detail: 363 was produced 1984, but 133 was produced in the year 1984! So it must be renumbered, because at all other ever produced trains the motorcar and the trailer were produced in the same year.
And are you sure if the numbers 361 (and 131) & 362 (and 132) ever existed in reality? I`ve never heard about such numbers in Timisoara. I dont heard about further Timis-trains coming from other cities to Timisoara (expect the only one from Resita). And 363 - 133 for example couldn`t be an former Resita-Train, because the trains for Resita were produced later (1988/1989) but not 1983/1984. Or is the building date of 363 - 133 maybe incorrect?
The only possible "error" (if my solution is the correct one) of BS-Atlas 2004: 230 and 229 are articulated motor cars and not trains. Further BS-Atlas says: the second articulated train (229) was never produced completely. But this is wrong! 229 was built completely of course, but it don`t ever transported passengers, it was only an experimental car (and scrapped later after the end of the experiments)!
What do you think about my "solution" because of the number 131 trains resting in Timisoara?

[Tom]

Vagoanele fabricate pana in 1981 inclusiv difera in partea din fata de celelalte. Deci, teoretic, vagoanele din Timisoara pana la 330 ar trebui sa fie din primul tip.
La Iasi, au existat doar primele 2 vagoane (301 si 302) de acest tip.
Alte detalii pe forum la http://forum.tramclub.org/viewtopic.php?p=20311#20311

[Tom]

De remarcat faptul ca in toate pozele din Timisoara am vazut ca vagonul motor trage intotdeauna remorca avand numarul N-230, unde N este numarul vagonului motor. Exemplu: 234+4, 271+41, 302+72,363+133 &c.
Vagoanele solo au aparut mai tarziu prin casarea/retragerea din circulatie a remorcii. Oricum, ideea era ca tramvaiele cu remorca aveau doar remorca avand numarul dupa formula de mai sus. Nu am vazut niciodata altfel. La Iasi, de exemplu, desi vagonul motor si remorca aveau acelasi numar (adica perechea de vagoane cum a venit din fabrica), ele circulau si cu vagoane diferite, de exemplu:
331+301
301+302
302+310
340+331

[Catalin Ghita]

Tramvaie Timiş

[Acier]

Aveti cumva o imagine buna din profil a unui tramvai Timis 2? Am nevoie pentru a'i face schita. As prefera una luata mai de departe, sa nu aiba prea multe distorsiuni optice, cam ca cea atasata de mine de exemplu.

[BOZO]

Ce am gasit tot cautand Timisuri...
Deci se poate... Ce bine arata!!!
Oare ce se intampla cu el acum? Va fi pastrat?
Sub link sunt mai multe poze

[stfp]

Fotografii tramvaie Timis in exploatare facute de Yury Maller ( http://ymtram.mashke.org/ ) in 1999:

[Elektriska]

Am o mare rugaminte catre pasionatii de Timis!

As avea nevoie de planurile/vederile (cotate) acestui tramvai (laterale-fata-spate-sus).
Va solicit acest lucru fiindca vreau sa-mi fac o macheta statica...

[Trix]

Sper ca asta sa fie buna, din pacate lipseste spatele.

[Elektriska]

Multumesc pentru ajutorul oferit, imi este suficient ca sa-mi fac o idee mai concreta!
Voi reveni pe viitor cu niste imagini
P.S. Nu refuz si alte planuri!
Numai bine!

[AmiralAOV]

Ia sa vedem noi cateva amintiri cu tramvaiele Timis pe care le-am descoperit la http://www.imhd.zoznam.sk

1 si 2: 333 cu remorca 79;
3: 338;
4: 346.

[marius2]

Ma poate cineva ajuta cu poze cu timisurile 308 si 349?

[AmiralAOV]

E timpul sa mai dinamizam putin activitatea in cadrul acestui judet... Unii au fugit pe... "alte meleaguri", altii se joaca cu frecusul de IP-uri blocate ca-n organizatiile secrete... Noroc cu strainii care au prezentat si prezinta interes pentru tara noastra.

Prin urmare, iata un set de fotografii apartinand lui Steve Guess, preluat de la: http://www.flickr.com/photos/steves-travels/5781687668/sizes/o/in/photostream/

Fotografiile au fost realizate in anul 2005, cand existau destule Timis-uri...

Setul 1:

[AmiralAOV]

Setul 2:

[AmiralAOV]

Amintirile sunt amintiri insa, pacat ar fi sa nu recunosc ca mereu am facut o "usoara diferenta" (poate dintr-un sambure de patriotism) intre ceea ce a fost facut "de noi" si ceea ce am "importat de la altii".

Asadar, alte fotografii cu Timis-urile, preluate de la http://www.shugotram.jp/

[tcm]

Cineva a filmat niste tramvaie Timis , autobuze/troleibuze DAC si autobuze Ikarus pe un teren pe Strada Garii. Stiti cumva ce cauta vehiculele acolo? (Partea interesanta incepe de la minutul 4:30) https://youtu.be/gGDu9vEgQPQ?t=270

[Andrei Andras]

Sunt exponatele pentru viitorul muzeu. Din lipsă de spațiu în depou au fost mutate.

[tcm]

Citisem pe undeva ca au fost mutate cateva tramvaie si troleibuze in curtea muzeului , nu am citit nimic despre mutarea lor in acea curte. Sper doar sa nu fie casate.

[tcm]

O filmare de pe platoul unde sunt "depozitate" tramvaiele Timis , Wegmann-uri retrase, autobuze si troleibuze de muzeu , dar surpizator acolo se afla si vreo 4 sau 5 Armonii si doua Mercedesuri Conecto G donatoare/in curs de casare.
Cum de au ajuns Armoniile deja acolo , de ce s-a renuntat la repararea lor? Peste 3-4 ani vom vedea Bozankaya descompletate/distruse in acelasi loc? La fel as intreba si desspre cele doua G-uri , cum de au fost retrase si descompletate atat de rapid , cand vechile Conecto au prins 20 de ani in circulatie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aQ1Ba_tT7c